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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:07:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Just to be slightly effective it takes about 1.5 years of training.
This isn't even remotely true. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:10:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything.
I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid.
I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo.
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 19:40:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:Admiral Adamsgate wrote:Total Bull, skillpoints mean nothing. Knowledge and the friends you make is how to succeed in EVE. Really? Lets analyze what you just said. Friends mean everything. All of mine quit. Skill points mean nothing. The reason why my friends quit. Knowledge means everything.
I have knowledge of things I want to do. How far away am I to do them? 1-2 years away. Wait that long? Never... Please this is a "mature" discussion. Troll posts like that make you look really stupid. I'm willing to bet your friends quit because the combat system is lacking. In half a year you can be flying dessies and T2 frigs highly effectively, or have rushed T1 battlecruisers and flying them at rank V with appropriate weapons skills. Or have rushed BSs and flying them well enough to be doing lv 4 missions solo. I will repeat... I only have three real questions and you answered non of them. Also face it dessies are nothing but cute. T2 frigs are for pvp which cost isk new players probably won't have.
You know the secret to a new player making isk hand over fist? Double wrap a unit of trit, autopilot with it around EVE in a free frigate looking like you're an idiot with a PLEX, then sell the resulting killrights when you get popped for 5 to 10M. Takes like 15 minutes for someone to bite the bait.
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:26:00 -
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It takes 8M to max out core skills to V, and I'm being very generous by throwing armor and shield tanking skills into the same mapping. Most rational people don't take these skills to V until after they are flying the ships they like a lot, and have been playing half a year to a year. Taking these skills to IV is 2.4 M SP |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 20:28:00 -
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Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:
I am somewhat impressed that you were able to answer some of the questions.
1-2 years of training would put you into a capital ship yes. Core skills? NO.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Also this post is for NEW PLAYERS AND WHY MOST OF THEM QUIT SO EARLY.
Hefty TheFirst wrote:
You look incredibly stupid right now.
I don't even really want to post this reply but you asked for it.
 Hey ! How about you try to not sound like a child when you reply ? kk thx.
Report and hide his posts in the future I guess. This guy's completely irrational. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 21:32:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:Debra Tao wrote:Hefty TheFirst wrote:
So all I am asking is what is being done about this huge problem EVE faces?
Like Zhilia has explained i am not sure that this is a problem in the first place. You can have fun after a couple of weeks and be effective in fleet, lire really useful, after roughly one month. Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Who can I talk to about this to make it apparent?
There is a Features&Ideas discussion on this forum, if you have a specific suggestion in mind go ahead and post there. Apart from that i am not really sure what you are expecting... you are not a game designer, you don't have access to the same data CCP has so you are, like me, totally incompetent to even say that this is "a huge problem". Hefty TheFirst wrote:
This game is truly great but how does any new player have a chance at experiencing that greatness?
I think the best course of action for a new player is to join a group of player that will take him on fleets and teach him how to play the game. Eve university is probably a great corporation, several alliances in nullsec are also willing to take newbies and teach them. I am not a game designer? Hehehe that's exactly what I am. If you knew who I really was you'd actually help. But you and your kids already help me <3
Btw r u a girl? ;) <3
Btw I'mma grill ;P
This thread needs serious locking.
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.03 23:35:00 -
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Hefty TheFirst wrote:
Again just character assassination.
Inigo Montoya wants a word with you. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.04 21:18:00 -
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Prekaz wrote:Oof. I give up.
Thread summary: Dunning-Kruger poster-child has all the answers, will copy+paste them until you agree.
Oooh I like you very much. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.04 22:05:00 -
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Orlacc wrote:Zappity wrote:You're right OP. No helpful ideas in the last six pages at all, it's all hopeless, might as well give up now and cancel my subscription. Let's end this thread as there is no hope.
I reported this thread for lack of hope a long time ago. Apparently moderators are asleep or still clinging to hope or something. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.07 23:57:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Haulie Berry wrote: Idiots telling new players that they can't do anything without 25 million SPs are a problem, yes. People who do this are literally the worst kind of griefers. The punishment for doing this should be the same as that for can baiting in noob systems.
Then there's people telling newbies to train all their core skills to V. That's pretty bad too. Heck, most cheap frig or dessie fits don't even require electronics or engineering 5 to fit. Last I checked. The advice should be just "weigh all options, choose what seems like the best one". |
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Inkarr Hashur
Sacrificial Lambs
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2013.03.08 01:34:00 -
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Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:Holy batmother are you guys still baiting this same troll? Or did this thread get a life of its own at some point?
I don't think the idiot's posted in like, 8 pages. Shame the moderators decided to let the thread live, as I don't think we've actually generated worthwhile discussion anyway. But it is what it is. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:00:00 -
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There is a certain level of filtering that I would argue is necessary for the community of this game. By and large the people playing this game show a level of intelligence greater than I have found in other online games. I'm fairly certain this is because EVE requires a higher amount of neuron zappiness in your head meats, in order to play. You don't need to be Mensa level by any means, but you at least have to have functioning grey matter. If someone new walks away from the game for any reason, including but not limited to:
- Fear of blowing up and losing money
- Overwhelmed by a large number of skills to sort through
- Inability to "grind" their way to "max level"
- Unwillingness to fly smaller ship classes or T1 variants before accessing bigger or T2 hulls
- Inability to weigh or process opportunity costs between hulls or weapon systems
Then it is entirely possible (but of course, not a certainty) this is a person you wouldn't want in the game. The tutorials can still be made better, but they are pretty great as they are now, honestly. Newbie chat also seemed to work very well, or at least it did when I was a newbie and could access it.
Now some of you have friends that have walked away from this game. You may feel angry that I've indirectly insulted these people. Oh well, deal with it. What, were you expecting me to placate you right there? Ha! |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.15 20:55:00 -
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SW:TOR being called an example of doing things "right" makes me see red. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.15 21:17:00 -
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Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:Inkarr Hashur wrote:SW:TOR being called an example of doing things "right" makes me see red. Only in the sense that making the part that players were seeing before buying the game (90% of beta players never went past 20 and the few who warned that the initial level of storytelling would not be kept up were shouted down in the forum) so much better than the rest was good enough to make people BUY the game.
Right. So SW:TOR was a poorly developed cash grab without a respectable amount of substance provided to the players. In fact, it could be said the game itself is an insult to the consumer and industry as a whole. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.18 16:10:00 -
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Namdor wrote:Oh, come on. She's basically crying about the fact that an RPG has character progression. Guys, it does not get much more obvious than this.
And yet mods refused to lock the thread and revoke posting privileges. |
Inkarr Hashur
Sine Nobilitatis
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Posted - 2013.03.18 19:24:00 -
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I wasn't aware the size of your wallet or your hangar was no longer considered an aspect of character progression.
I guess I should just stop logging in. |
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